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Post by D3vilsfire (Admin) on Sept 30, 2014 22:29:42 GMT -5
"And to be fair, in a league where you have 23 roster spots there really isn't a drafting strategy in terms of specific stats. It's all pretty much gonna be luck of the draw at the end of the week if you get 20+ players involved.
As a rule of thumb, do not change the scoring settings after the draft, yes. But in this league it hardly matters.
Now, if you changed the scoring CATEGORIES, that's a different story. As it stands right now, 9/20 categories belong to goalies. That makes goalies 45% of the scoring, more important than any other single position. Some teams drafted on that (the smart teams). It would not be fair to change something like that."
I totally agree with this statement
now id prefer discussions on here rather than yahoo.. so please start posting on here
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Post by D3vilsfire (Admin) on Sept 30, 2014 22:30:40 GMT -5
And the thing is.. i didnt change categories counted.. i just changed how the final outcome
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Post by ericksonmojo on Sept 30, 2014 22:35:02 GMT -5
I seem to have really stirred the pot on this huh haha
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Post by D3vilsfire (Admin) on Oct 1, 2014 8:44:33 GMT -5
I seem to have really stirred the pot on this huh haha Well i didnt know that i could change it, and i personally do not like the category wins system.. rather have points, so i changed it without asking, so thats on me. But im still confused on the reasoning against except for the fact that there is an unwritten rule/courtesy to not change the scoring system after draft. But if you keep each category, and goals=assists, i dont see the issue exactly
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Post by FLG Frontera on Oct 1, 2014 15:11:42 GMT -5
Well i didnt know that i could change it, and i personally do not like the category wins system.. rather have points, so i changed it without asking, so thats on me. But im still confused on the reasoning against except for the fact that there is an unwritten rule/courtesy to not change the scoring system after draft. But if you keep each category, and goals=assists, i dont see the issue exactly The issue is that with the current system the value of certain positions (goalies) are MUCH higher than skaters because that position (2 goalies) accounts for 45% of the week, while the other positions (18 skaters) count for 55%. Therefore the positional breakdown is (essentially) this: each goalie is worth 22.5% of your total score, each skater (C/LW/RW/D) is worth 3.05% of your total score. Remember, you only have to beat your opponent in EACH category to earn that point - so a team that drafted two or more starting goalies is almost guaranteed to beat a team that only has backups in 9 out of 20 categories that week. If you change the way the league is scored to a total points vs total points rather than category vs category, those percentages shift significantly. Yes, goalies still account for 9/20 categories, but if ALL categories are converted to points and it's the sum of ALL those points, then each player is worth the same. Goalies and skaters would all be worth 5%. Example: With category vs category, the smartest GMs at the draft would've drafted goalies in the first two rounds because statistically that earns them the best chance to win 9/20 categories each week. In a 20 team league, you'd be out of starting goalies by the middle of the second round. Yes, Sidney Crosby will score more points than any other player, but he is just 1 of 20 players that can contribute to the 11 skater categories If you don't pick Crosby in the first round, you can even that out later. Just by statistics alone, anyone not named Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Giroux, or Ovechkin should've been selected after EVERY starting goalie was taken. Tuukka Rask is projected to have the best goalie stats and SHOULD have been picked #1 in this league. His stats will be worth 50% of 9 categories to win the week and 22.5% of your week total. Even Ondrej Pavelec (one of the lowest projected goalies) is more valuable than most first line skaters BECAUSE he is guaranteed to play and guaranteed to have starter's stats (.900+ SV% and <2.50 GAA) that will contribute to those 9 categories that your opponent is starting backup goalies in. Backups are not guaranteed to show up in at least three games a week, will hardly ever earn Wins or Shutouts, and will almost certainly have inflated GAA. Now, if it was Points vs Points, feel free to follow regular rankings. Sidney Crosby is obviously the most valuable because he'll consistently rack up a high weekly scores. Tuukka Rask is just as valuable because he will score high points as well when every stat is converted to points. Pavelec is nothing more than a backup in points format, but a must-have in categories. In short: changing how points are scored changes the winning strategy at the draft, and that's the foundation for your success in the year. You can plug holes and fix small problems on your roster through trades/waivers, but the team you got from the draft is yours to live with. It's just unfair to change the scoring rules after you've made those choices. If they were changed before the draft then the people who drafted goalies in the 1st/2nd/3rd rounds probably would not have, and if GMs knew just how valuable goalies were in this league the 1st round would be "G"s all the way down.
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Post by D3vilsfire (Admin) on Oct 1, 2014 16:25:32 GMT -5
:/ ... i wanted to make goalies important.. but i feel like i made them WAY too important.. oh well
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Post by Rampage on Oct 1, 2014 19:09:32 GMT -5
It wasn't just goals and assists. You had point values on all the other scoring categories as well. You had hits set to 1 point. If that was the way the league was scored, I have have targeted guys who score and hit in the draft. That happened in a league Im in. The commish is new and set hits and PIMs to equal 1 point. In that league, if you had those same point values. Matt martin was way more valuable than crosby. He had PIMs and Hits count for 1 point each, so matt martin would had 107 more fantasy points for the year than crosby, even with all the goals and assists he had.
You had faceoffs won set to .5 points. If that was the case, I would have drafted patriece bergeron in the first 2 rounds based on he is one of the few who gets points and will win over 1000 faceoffs every year. Thats 500 fantasy points in face off wins right there.
PPP at 1 point...I would have drafted troy brouwer higher as he doesnt get as many points as some, but gets a lot of PPP and a bunch of Hits, therefore much more valuable that someone who just gets points, but not many PPP or hit.
Blocks at 1 point. Defensmen who block 200+ shots a year and dont score would be drafted ahead of scoring defensmen who get 9 goals 30 assists and only 30 blocked shots a year.
I dont really understand how you guys cant see the major ramifications of this. It changes everything....especially in a keeper league with deep rosters.
If you like the points scoring, I say go ahead and reset the draft and start over. I'd be fine with that. I like head to head points...especially if most in the league dont think there is a draft strategy in a points based league when all categories are not equal. I usually search yahoo to find leagues like that.it gives me a great chance to win and all the auto-drafters who dont show up for the draft fall way behind because they get auto picked the players yahoo has ranked as the "best" player at that rank.
There is still time for a re-draft if you wanted to do it. Also..you might consider cutting down the number of teams and just have a solid core of active managers. If there is a draft of prospects held on an offsite forum, you have to have all the managers be active for it to work. It already seems like at least half the 20 teams are already not active in the league. Especially the teams who dont even have 1 starting goalie in this league. Those guys are going to get frustrated fast when the are losing all their goalie stats every week since the wont be able to meet the 3 minimum goalie games each week. Plus, its a pain in the ass to try to keep 20 managers active. I run several 12 team yahoo keeper leagues and every year i have to try to find 2-3 new manager to replace the managers who arent active or quit playing altogether I play in 5 different money leagues every year and those are the only leagues where managers stay active all year..at least until the are for sure out of the money.
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Post by ericksonmojo on Oct 1, 2014 19:17:44 GMT -5
I kind of agree about cutting it down with active managers, But can some one explain to me what the score changes were and how they effect it like the different type of scoring if that makes sense, and I don't think we need to re draft just get rid of GMs who arnt active and have a draft for their players.
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Post by D3vilsfire (Admin) on Oct 1, 2014 19:39:31 GMT -5
I kind of agree about cutting it down with active managers, But can some one explain to me what the score changes were and how they effect it like the different type of scoring if that makes sense, and I don't think we need to re draft just get rid of GMs who arnt active and have a draft for their players. redrafting makes more sense than doing basically an expansion draft like you are saying.. Do you suggest an activity check reset? Im a new commish trying to work this out so im learning as i go.. I understand the explanation that you gave a lot, so i apologize for changing scoring on you.. I wonder how many people we have active.. if its only like 12 ish i wouldnt mind making a 12 person league
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Post by ericksonmojo on Oct 1, 2014 20:21:12 GMT -5
I think 12 would be good and in my opinion goalies should be worth something but not super valuable, I also feel like we should have a rule where all goalies have be drafted by a certain round or something like that just so it evens it out
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Post by D3vilsfire (Admin) on Oct 1, 2014 20:28:27 GMT -5
i think goalie maximum makes more sense.. but i need more than 4 guys talking about major league stuff.. haha
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Post by ericksonmojo on Oct 1, 2014 20:43:29 GMT -5
You could post something on the forum maybe get some more guys that will stay active
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Post by ericksonmojo on Oct 2, 2014 11:22:06 GMT -5
I think we need to decide if we are going to cut the league down to 12 or something like that pretty soon. Also if we do I think we need to make set rules and scoring serifs before we draft
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Post by D3vilsfire (Admin) on Oct 2, 2014 12:15:19 GMT -5
Should i make a poll?
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Post by D3vilsfire (Admin) on Oct 2, 2014 12:15:38 GMT -5
and the poll would double as an activity check
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